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Old 12-03-2005, 10:36 AM   #1
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Capital Punishment: Your Views?

S'pore execution disturbs Australia

By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA
Associated Press Writer

SINGAPORE (AP) -- Singapore executed an Australian heroin trafficker on Friday despite a warning by Australia's prime minister that the hanging would sour relations between their countries.

The case has caused an outcry in Australia where opponents of the execution held vigils in cities around the country, with bells and gongs sounding 25 times at the hour of the execution.

"I just think it's barbaric, it's wrong, it's disturbing," said Elizabeth Welch, a 54-year-old counselor at a vigil in Sydney.

Vietnam-born Nguyen Tuong Van, 25, was hanged before dawn despite numerous appeals from Australian leaders for his life to be spared. He received a mandatory death sentence after he was caught with 14 ounces of heroin at the city-state's Changi Airport in 2002, en route from Cambodia to Australia.

Nguyen's death came amid fresh debate about capital punishment in the United States, where North Carolina's governor denied clemency to a man who killed his wife and father-in-law. Kenneth Lee Boyd was executed by lethal injection early Friday in the 1,000th execution in the United States since the death penalty resumed in 1977.

Australian Prime Minister John Howard said his government would not take diplomatic action against Singapore. But he said the execution will affect relations "on a people-to-people, population-to-population basis."

Dressed in black, a dozen friends and supporters stood outside the maximum-security Changi Prison hours before the 6 a.m. hanging. Candles and handwritten notes containing sympathetic messages and calls for an end to Singapore's death penalty were placed outside the prison gates.

Nguyen's twin brother, Nguyen Khoa, entered the prison compound, but did not attend the execution. As he left, he hugged a prison officer and shook the hand of another. Nguyen Tuong Van had said he was trafficking heroin to help pay off his twin's debts.

Singapore says its tough laws and penalties for drug trafficking are an effective deterrent against a crime that ruins lives, and that foreigners and Singaporeans must be treated alike. It said Nguyen's appeals for clemency were carefully considered.

"We take a very serious view of drug trafficking - the penalty is death," Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said Thursday during a visit to Germany.

Nguyen was caught with more than 26 times the 0.53 ounces of heroin that draws a mandatory death penalty. The Home Affairs Ministry statement said the amount was enough to supply 26,000 doses of heroin, and had a street value of nearly $800,000.

Australia scrapped the death penalty in 1973 and hanged its last criminal in 1967, while Singapore has executed more than 100 people for drug-related offenses since 1999.

According to local media, Singapore has granted clemency to six inmates on death row - all Singaporeans - since independence in 1965.

A private Mass was held for Nguyen at a chapel on the grounds of a Roman Catholic convent. He was to be buried in Melbourne.

Physical contact between Nguyen and visitors had been barred in past days. But one of his Australian lawyers, Julian McMahon, said Nguyen's mother, Kim, had been allowed to hold her son's hand and touch his face during her last visit on Thursday.

"That was a great comfort to her," McMahon said.

Nguyen's supporters outside the prison included Gopalan and Krishnan Murugesu, teenage twin brothers whose father, Shanmugam, was executed in May after he was caught with 2.2 pounds of marijuana on Aug. 29, 2003, as he returned from Malaysia by motorcycle.

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Old 12-03-2005, 10:47 AM   #2
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Re: Capital Punishment: Your Views?

Im for capital punishment.. some ppl should die.. they dont deserve to live..
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Re: Capital Punishment: Your Views?

I wouldn't be happy if someone killed a friend of mine and killing another human being should me accepted. Still I don't think that one person should be sentenced to death for killing one single person, instead a 30 years jail sentence is more suitable. On the other hand a person who massacre 7 people should definetly be sentenced to death.
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I wouldn't be happy if someone killed a friend of mine and killing another human being should me accepted. Still I don't think that one person should be sentenced to death for killing one single person, instead a 30 years jail sentence is more suitable. On the other hand a person who massacre 7 people should definetly be sentenced to death.
I say capital punishment is okay, for a murder, but not for 14 ounces of heroin. Firstly, thats nothing in size. Secondly a crime like that should get time, but not execution!
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Re: Capital Punishment: Your Views?

It should be only for murder,rape pedophiles and such..
30 years in jail..no freakin way.. i dont wanna pay tax for a freakin criminal to live and eat in jail.. kill him off and save money and time..
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Re: Capital Punishment: Your Views?

But what if the person already knows a country's laws, and yet he still carries out drug trafficking, knowing that if he gets caught, he will get a death penalty? Should he be let off with a lighter sentence?
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Re: Capital Punishment: Your Views?

If he's a citizen of that country and lives there, then the laws of the country should apply, but the law itself is very strict... thats a very small quantity for trafficking. Seem's to harsh for a law, btw.
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Re: Capital Punishment: Your Views?

I think capital punishment is acceptable for certain crimes, and in my opinion drug trafficking is definitely one of those. Ruining people's lives is just as bad as ending them, if not worse. (IMO)

There can be no doubt that this guy knew what he was doing was illegal and that the punishment would be harsh if he got caught, but he took the risk nevertheless, and paid the price.
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Re: Capital Punishment: Your Views?

I dont know about that drug system.. cause no one forces you to take drugs.. and imo alcohol is a drug to.. and it has destroyed many lifes to.. just look at that fotball player Best.. who died now..
So no imo there should not be capital punishment for drug trafficking..
If you are dumb enough to use drugs you have to suit your self..
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Re: Capital Punishment: Your Views?

AlxAmg, the person in question was in transit in Singapore on his way to Australia, but he's an Australian citizen.

I agree with MikeJ.
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