TheByte

Gullwing

8000 rockets since 2000, 6000 of them since the 2002 Yes why would Israel attack Hamas, why why why???

US has troops in Israel manning radar and anti rocket/missile posts.
Phalanx is only effective very close in. So Hamas launches a rocket at your house and you can then shoot it down in your front yard, or your neighbors yard, they guy down the street is screwed. Plus if you do shoot it down the pieces will still fall on your house. Patriot is a little better, and Isreal has those.

Only network I have seen be pro Israel is FoxNews, CNN is not pro Israel.

The Artist

8000 rockets?
Well to that i say over 700 palestenian lifes in these last 2 weeks...

Talk about a strong reaction..
Thats like kicking your kid in the face for saying fuck..

Well if they have some kind of system..
Im sure they shoot down alot of those thousands of home made rockets..
Very wierd that they want to hunt down civilans for those few rockets their systems cant shoot down

Mikael

I don't want to take sides as this is a very complicated issue. But I think the situation won't end until the Palestinians get an own state that is recognized by both Israel and all major countries. The two-parted structure with separate Gaza and West Bank as a base for the state of Palestine would be extremely complicated so perhaps Gaza strip could be given to Israel as an act of good will and the Palestinians living there could move to the West Bank. Or if that would be too hard to accept for the Palestinians, maybe the Gaza strip can be given to Egypt as a compromise. Relocating the 1.4 million people living in the Gaza strip would be a gigantic operation but as this conflict has lasted for decades it's now clear that the solution will demand great sacrifices from both sides.

Gullwing

Don't make me come over and kick you in the face son!
Israel doesn't hunt down civilians. Hamas sets up rockets in schools and in other places to draw Israel to attack those locations so that civilians will get hurt. If someone is shooting at you and killing friends and family while using a kid as a shield, would you allow that guy to continue killing people or are you going to take a chance at hitting the kid to make sure that guy doesn't kill anyone else?
If Israel really wanted to kill civilians they would not be dropping leaflets telling the civilians to leave certain locations because they are about to be bombed.

There is also a difference in the value of a life between most of Israel and Palestine. You don't value life if you are proud that your kid just became a suide bomber.

Palestinians don't want their own country, they just want Israel gone. Plalestinians have been offered their own land before and have turned it down.

Gullwing

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/wo...s.html?_r=2&hp

The Artist

^man you really need to get in the loop and stop reading US media

Once again..download occupation 101
Then comeback here..and talk with me

Until that i aint discussing this with you anymore..
It will just bug the hell out of me

Choleric

Almost all US Mainstream media is Pro Israel including CNN, Fox, NBC etc... They would not last long if they were not. The pressure from the advertisers and lobbyists is to great to survive being otherwise.
media figures'/pundits' careers have been ruined for even the slightest slight on Israel.

For example, Chris Matthews from Hardball is not Pro-Israel, but will never express it on his show, and makes very general indirect slights on the topic because he knows his career would be in jeopardy if came out of the closet, so to speak.

The Artist

What do you think about this Gullwing

They are using white phosphor bombs.. and burning civilians now

Is this also ok?


"Israel använder vit fosfor mot civila"

Sorry its in swedish..

Gullwing

Interesting video, an hour plus of a bunch of out of context video clips.

Pro Israel media? Yes they are all showing the anti Israeli protests in the US, oh wait what protests


Phosphor bombs cewl, burn up the terrorists real good, now if the civilians would learn the Hamas is no good and kicked them out, no civilian would get burned.
Interesting how so many think Israel is killing civilians on purpose.

http://www.nypost.com/the_demons_of_gaza

Harry Plopper

It really doesn't matter. It really doesn't.

Who cares if civilians are killed on purpose by terrorist attack, or "just" as a collateral damage of a military strike. They are killed anyway.

Only the political background is different, and the message. But the aftermath is the same: dead civilians.

Is it really fair to kill "their" civilians to protect "ours"?

Do Palestinian civilians now deserve death more due their support for fight against Israel, and fight for free & independent Palestine?
It's the same evil as the terrorist attack on civilians on public places - just because they are Israeli.

Civilians do not deserve death in any case. No matter what idea do they support. Otherwise that would be the end of democracy & the free world.

The only solution is dialog. Even with the rebels - before they become terrorists. Since the terrorist movement is usually an aftermath of the lack of dialog. First there is always a political movement, and when they are not considered seriously they turn up into terrorist movement - to get attention. Yet this method is very unfair & inhumane, and very incorrect.