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Choleric · 02-24-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by YoungWarrior

You seem to have forgotten that our countries got rich from slavery, colonies, war, and the ability to make and change rules as we please as were the most powerful countries in the world and they cant do anything about it.

Remember 20% of the worlds rich populations consumes 80% of the worlds resources.

Doesnt sound fair to me.

Life is not fair. There will always be those who are better off than others it is survival of the fittest, its how life works.

YoungWarrior · 02-24-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Choleric

Life is not fair. There will always be those who are better off than others it is survival of the fittest, its how life works.

Yeah I know and accept that its just annoying when my fellow country men just dont seem capable of seeing it like that.

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So what are you telling me?, that the Middle East, Asia, and Eastern Europe are some kinds of noble paradises where people are all kind and decent.

No if they were in our position they would probably do the same thing but it shouldnt have to be like that. Its childish behaviour.

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Really, if you hate your country so much then why don't you leave

Theres a difference between hating my country and accepting the truth that alot of what my government says is all propaganda and BS.

Let me make it clear though I love my country with all my heart. It just sometimes hurts me to see the way that we treat our fellow man.

Rob · 02-24-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by YoungWarrior

Yeah I know and accept that its just annoying when my fellow country men just dont seem capable of seeing it like that.

No if they were in our position they would probably do the same thing but it shouldnt have to be like that. Its childish behaviour.

Theres a difference between hating my country and accepting the truth that alot of what my government says is all propaganda and BS.

Let me make it clear though I love my country with all my heart. It just sometimes hurts me to see the way that we treat our fellow man.

Sure, I was just kidding about Beirut (I'm sure it's as dreadful at this time of year as any other time) - you have a right to question your government - most people don't trust politicians, George Bush's government is exceptionally unpopular - the "war on terror" has been messy so far and big mistakes have been made...but western governments are not responsible for all of the world's problems, world poverty and deprivation are not all America's fault - no country in the world gives more to help the needy in other countries than the US - lets not forget that.

Germaniac · 02-25-2006, 12:06 AM

Gosh, I despise conspiracy theories.

You know I watched a video once which proved, using a computer-generated 3D scene mock-up (drawing lines from gunman to vehicle, etc) that JFK's assassination was in fact masterminded by the CIA and Lee Harvey Oswald was just an elaborate cover for them - the bullet in no way whatsoever could've come from where Oswald was standing - the 3D computer scenerio proved this.

Me with my small-minded ignorance (I was 10, or something), believed it no questions asked, until, as I grew, I started to learn more things about the nature of mankind, its thirst for gossip, conspiracy and the like - but more also about how easy it is to play the art of deception. I saw another video, years later, which proved, using the same computer-generated 3D scene mockup, that Lee Harvey Oswald was undoubtedly the real killer, that any notion of a government conspiracy was irrevocably and undisputedly flawed.

Exactly the same evidence used, analysing exactly the same scenario, yet two different and supremely opposing conclusions were drawn.

I guess I shared this just to illustrate how easy it is to pick, warp and discard evidence in order to create a convincing argument - or, as it were, a convincing conspiracy theory. Most conspiracy theories in my mind, though, including this S11 one, when seen from a wider perspective, seem entirely illogical and just plain laughable. I think Choleric made mention of an assertion the documentary makes that the US government plotted the S11 attacks... I mean, come ON. I don't think any government, neither sane nor insane, democratic or dictatorial, would be idiodic enough orchestrate something like the attacks. The loss of life is one thing, but what about everything else - the literal hundreds of billions spent by the government, companies, airlines etc in direct response to the attacks. The huge effect the attacks have had on the American economy, both in general but also in countless specific industries - most prominent both the airplane manufacturing (thousands of jobs lost I'd imagine) and the airline industry itself. The huge investment of resources, manpower, money and energy now going into the so-called "War on Terror" - in my mind essentially a fruitless endevour - that could have gone into much more beneficial pursuits; pursuits that would've actually had a positive effect on the American economy and people. All these other things, in my mind, are overshadowed by the effects S11 has had on the general mindset of the American people (and even, the western populace in general) - simply, the fear it has brought about. And this fear has in itself led not only to large problems in, for example, the tourism industry, but also affects the very basic lives of many, many millions of American lives. Living in a fear of an unknown enemy is probably one of the most uneasy and unenviable positions to be in, and any government that would willingly bestow this sort of fear on its people, for no foreseeable reason whatsoever, is idiodic.

George W Bush is said to have quite a low IQ but I doubt he is that dumb.

Just_me · 02-25-2006, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by YoungWarrior

If a terrorist wanted to kill as many people as possible they would have killed alot more than that.

Doenst matter, some of you read to much books. Read the Da Vinci Code if you want to read about conspiracy theories.

Rob · 02-25-2006, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by YoungWarrior

If a terrorist wanted to kill as many people as possible they would have killed alot more than that.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't 911 the biggest terrorist attack in history.........2752 people dead

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........................what is left to say?

MoSs AMG · 02-25-2006, 04:11 AM

speaking of attack thats nuthing roberto - i bellive that the person who did that on 911 is the person whos attacking middleast ...

PS : is that a car forum or a war forum cause ppl who visit want to read about cars not wars ...

Rob · 02-25-2006, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MoSs AMG

speaking of attack thats nuthing roberto - i bellive that the person who did that on 911 is the person whos attacking middleast ...

Yep, you are correct MoSs - I'm assuming you are referring to Osama Bin Laden aren't you .............of course you are.

MoSs AMG · 02-25-2006, 04:23 AM

what the hell is wronge with u ppl ,,, i think Bin Laden has nuthing to do with that , the only reason he admit that is to let ppl know him and talk about him ...

and if u think again at 9/11 how come all the isrealian employers wherent working ?

Top Secret · 02-25-2006, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MoSs AMG

and if u think again at 9/11 how come all the isrealian employers wherent working ?

Maybe....

....it's coincidence. Think about it.

02-25-2006, 12:06 AM	#24
Germaniac Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 153 Thanks: 7 Thanked 89 Times in 33 Posts	Re: The truth about September 11th. Gosh, I despise conspiracy theories. You know I watched a video once which proved, using a computer-generated 3D scene mock-up (drawing lines from gunman to vehicle, etc) that JFK's assassination was in fact masterminded by the CIA and Lee Harvey Oswald was just an elaborate cover for them - the bullet in no way whatsoever could've come from where Oswald was standing - the 3D computer scenerio proved this. Me with my small-minded ignorance (I was 10, or something), believed it no questions asked, until, as I grew, I started to learn more things about the nature of mankind, its thirst for gossip, conspiracy and the like - but more also about how easy it is to play the art of deception. I saw another video, years later, which proved, using the same computer-generated 3D scene mockup, that Lee Harvey Oswald was undoubtedly the real killer, that any notion of a government conspiracy was irrevocably and undisputedly flawed. Exactly the same evidence used, analysing exactly the same scenario, yet two different and supremely opposing conclusions were drawn. I guess I shared this just to illustrate how easy it is to pick, warp and discard evidence in order to create a convincing argument - or, as it were, a convincing conspiracy theory. Most conspiracy theories in my mind, though, including this S11 one, when seen from a wider perspective, seem entirely illogical and just plain laughable. I think Choleric made mention of an assertion the documentary makes that the US government plotted the S11 attacks... I mean, come ON. I don't think any government, neither sane nor insane, democratic or dictatorial, would be idiodic enough orchestrate something like the attacks. The loss of life is one thing, but what about everything else - the literal hundreds of billions spent by the government, companies, airlines etc in direct response to the attacks. The huge effect the attacks have had on the American economy, both in general but also in countless specific industries - most prominent both the airplane manufacturing (thousands of jobs lost I'd imagine) and the airline industry itself. The huge investment of resources, manpower, money and energy now going into the so-called "War on Terror" - in my mind essentially a fruitless endevour - that could have gone into much more beneficial pursuits; pursuits that would've actually had a positive effect on the American economy and people. All these other things, in my mind, are overshadowed by the effects S11 has had on the general mindset of the American people (and even, the western populace in general) - simply, the fear it has brought about. And this fear has in itself led not only to large problems in, for example, the tourism industry, but also affects the very basic lives of many, many millions of American lives. Living in a fear of an unknown enemy is probably one of the most uneasy and unenviable positions to be in, and any government that would willingly bestow this sort of fear on its people, for no foreseeable reason whatsoever, is idiodic. George W Bush is said to have quite a low IQ but I doubt he is that dumb.

02-25-2006, 04:11 AM	#27
MoSs AMG Advocate Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bell California , USA Posts: 992 Thanks: 13 Thanked 23 Times in 17 Posts	Re: The truth about September 11th. speaking of attack thats nuthing roberto - i bellive that the person who did that on 911 is the person whos attacking middleast ... PS : is that a car forum or a war forum cause ppl who visit want to read about cars not wars ...

02-25-2006, 04:23 AM	#29
MoSs AMG Advocate Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bell California , USA Posts: 992 Thanks: 13 Thanked 23 Times in 17 Posts	Re: The truth about September 11th. what the hell is wronge with u ppl ,,, i think Bin Laden has nuthing to do with that , the only reason he admit that is to let ppl know him and talk about him ... and if u think again at 9/11 how come all the isrealian employers wherent working ?

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